tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4482620515926515338.post6819831794107615902..comments2014-06-07T06:02:00.176-03:00Comments on Martas's corner: WHAT LIES BEHIND "JUST TOSS THE ASHES"Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02172214186654295397noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4482620515926515338.post-56557968245116723582013-05-20T21:38:32.347-03:002013-05-20T21:38:32.347-03:00Dearest Micki, I'm so sorry to hear about your...Dearest Micki, I'm so sorry to hear about your niece. The thing is that many people, mental health professionals included, cannot tell between a state of depression, which is normal, and the disease named "depression", which is not. With the modern fad of prescribing drugs for everything before making an accurate diagnosis that could take very long -but no one seems to have the time- lots of people are on medication that they neither need nor profit from. You have brought up a very serious issue, that of the pharmaceutical industry urging physicians and psychiatrists to "sell" drugs irresponsibly, often on the basis of financial rewards. The Hippocratic oath?<br />Gone, like many other ethical principles. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15249891006083336192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4482620515926515338.post-57367885995185279502013-05-20T21:30:58.719-03:002013-05-20T21:30:58.719-03:00Veronica, thank you for reading and taking the tim...Veronica, thank you for reading and taking the time to leave a comment. The subject is rueful, but it's one of the subjects I deal with, so I wanted to share something of what triggered my first novel.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15249891006083336192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4482620515926515338.post-10141461098231477982013-05-20T21:27:26.370-03:002013-05-20T21:27:26.370-03:00Arik shalom,
I owe you big time. I haven't fo...Arik shalom, <br />I owe you big time. I haven't forgotten. I'm sure encyclopedias have much to say on this issue, but this is my take, and the one that triggered the book, besides other reasons. <br />Thank you so much for your presence here! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15249891006083336192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4482620515926515338.post-41535313966797914862013-05-20T21:23:46.101-03:002013-05-20T21:23:46.101-03:00Dear Patti, thank you for your insight in this mat...Dear Patti, thank you for your insight in this matter. You are right, no doubt, but not everybody has it in him to brave psychic storms. Hence, we cannot ban suicide from man's predicaments. The most we can do is try to help from our different fields of expertise.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15249891006083336192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4482620515926515338.post-85233929649819167152013-05-17T00:40:09.085-03:002013-05-17T00:40:09.085-03:00Marta, thank you for an enlightening exposition on...Marta, thank you for an enlightening exposition on the myriad reasons why anyone would choose to kill themselves. One final thought to add to the mix is that many psychotic drugs for depression are causing people, especially under the age of 30 to kill themselves. My beautiful young niece, with a sunny disposition and job as a head anesthiolgy nurse, took her life after being placed on a new depression drug.This is a serious problem. Depression is often a natural part of life, We get down, sad, weepy and if we wait, one day the sunshine in our lives returns--without drugs. While it's true that bi-polar and manic depressives may need these drugs-it's difficult to really diagnose who is really going to be helped and who is going to be made worse. I was put on them once--prozac and it made me feel like I was out of my head. It's sad enough that we lose loved ones to suicide for many reasons, but it's not acceptable to lose them from the very drugs that were supposed to help the.Micki Peluso is the author of "And the Whippoorwill Sang"https://www.blogger.com/profile/14286402859989726344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4482620515926515338.post-58713803030068717762013-05-12T21:26:11.741-03:002013-05-12T21:26:11.741-03:00Marta, thank you for directing me to this site. I...Marta, thank you for directing me to this site. I have been heartened by reading the article and the replies. My condolences to all you who've lost loved ones to suicide. A terrible grief.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4482620515926515338.post-1934678799666565622013-05-11T14:11:02.483-03:002013-05-11T14:11:02.483-03:00http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide
Arikhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide<br />ArikAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4482620515926515338.post-29483671503899198182013-05-11T08:58:20.945-03:002013-05-11T08:58:20.945-03:00Hi,
Can suicides be stopped was the opening sente...Hi,<br /><br />Can suicides be stopped was the opening sentence in your fourth paragraph of this essay. When i think about that question I have to think about the condition of mankind. We have so little regard for life because we fail to have a purpose for living. If that were not so, we would think twice before we send men off to war, or kill a child or take another person's life. Too many people's purpose are defined by their political, sociological or philosophical beliefs that do not define the person within. It boils down to facing ourselves and discovering who we are. That this search for ourselves will throw us into a depression or a dark valley that we have to walk through is unavoidable. This is something we fear and try to run away from. This fear prevents us from examining ourselves and rising above the examination to acceptance. <br /><br />I don't think many people are willing to pay this price. It is a price we have to pay if we want serenity and peace within us but as Martin Buber and Viktor Frankl said and according to that what was written down in the Bible, you began to know yourself and discover your purpose for living, and in my own words, when you nail yourself to the cross. Your desires are tested, your beliefs go through the fire and you come in touch with who you really are. <br /><br />People who have done this and continue to face the fears hidden deep within themselves discover life and its meaning and they have no desire to commit suicide regardless of the circumstances.<br /><br />Shalom,<br />PattiPat Garciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04204650731843984192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4482620515926515338.post-25309210077256457982013-05-10T15:51:18.842-03:002013-05-10T15:51:18.842-03:00Dear Lori, I'm more than grateful for your com...Dear Lori, I'm more than grateful for your commenting on this post. I know what you've been through, and how difficult the mere thought of it is. Your book will help many people, as I'm told mine does, the difference being that you will be telling a true story, which will make it priceless. With love, always.<br />MartaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15249891006083336192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4482620515926515338.post-40595426877421289972013-05-10T12:57:32.586-03:002013-05-10T12:57:32.586-03:00Thank you for this post Marta. As you know, I'...Thank you for this post Marta. As you know, I'm coming on the 4 year anniversary of my mother's suicide, and am just now coming to grips with it enough to write a book about it, about her life and her tortured mind. I will say, of all the emotions I felt the moment I found her, and there were many, one of them was relief, a final, "It's over" - but that was not the prevailing emotion - more horror and saddness there, I'm afraid. But I have a lot to say about this and thank you for addressing it - I think your thoughts give validity to my own. Lori Ramseyhttp://laramsey.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4482620515926515338.post-64188773989946057962013-05-10T12:46:14.432-03:002013-05-10T12:46:14.432-03:00Dearest Pat, thank you for sharing such heartbreak...Dearest Pat, thank you for sharing such heartbreaking experiences. I'd like many people to read your comment, because it teaches a great lesson: prompt action on the part of those who care can save a life. Your son expected help when he confided in you. His message was clear: "I want to live, but cannot cope by myself." He got what he needed from loving parents, and I dare say that while he feels such support, he will be safe. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15249891006083336192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4482620515926515338.post-70344920987206497082013-05-10T12:45:40.917-03:002013-05-10T12:45:40.917-03:00Patricia, my heart goes out to you. You, especial...Patricia, my heart goes out to you. You, especially, understand now how vital it is to communicate, appreciate and validate those you love, EVERY chance you get. Loving someone can be 'horrifically wonderful', can't it?hstrychsrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16598830810273668843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4482620515926515338.post-33916750819826911752013-05-10T12:38:27.503-03:002013-05-10T12:38:27.503-03:00Dear TJ, I can understand and empathize, although ...Dear TJ, I can understand and empathize, although it would be a lie to say that such sentiments amount to the possibility of standing in other people's shoes.We can get a glimpse of such suffering, no more than that. <br />However, I knew what I was in for when I wrote the novel. Sometimes literature is a more palatable way to broach issues that are rejected by many. <br />Thank you for sharing your experience here, and for attesting that dying is not that easy, for it's a popular myth that it's a matter of seconds. <br />I'm so glad that you are here with us, helping others through your sensitivity and experience. <br />With much sisterly love,<br />Marta<br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15249891006083336192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4482620515926515338.post-73752086728648241652013-05-10T12:24:57.740-03:002013-05-10T12:24:57.740-03:00Marta,
The topic of suicide is a fascinating one i...Marta,<br />The topic of suicide is a fascinating one indeed, one that takes an enormous amount of study. Even then I'm not so sure anyone ever understands, much less accepts.<br /><br />In 1976, one of my beloved brothers, an extreme alcoholic, supposedly took his life. (I say supposedly because his death was under investigation for years). His pain was always so obvious and he fought it for a very long time, however never sought help. He was too proud to allow anyone into his private haunting. The family was devastated, my mother was never the same, his children are still to this day, a wreck and chose drugs and alcohol to deal with their father's ultimate decision. Still, I do not believe our pain, the pain he left us all with at age 42, could possibly compare to even one fraction of his private pain, and whatever caused him to take such drastic measures to escape.<br />Although the family always knew he suffered, in our hearts, I think we felt he would overcome somehow. That is not to say, we did not care. No one knew nor understood the deep depression that caused him to experience such helplessness, hopelessness, defeat, paranoia, and self-loathing. We felt to say anything to him was interfering in his personal life.<br />In 1993, at age thirteen, my youngest son was diagnosed with extreme Clinical depression after obsessing about the thoughts of suicide running through his crowded mind. He did not understand this behavior within himself as days before he was an incredibly happy child and had been since he was born. Now, sullen, hopeless, and crying for hours for no apparent reason, he retreated into his room. I thought he had been hurt by a girl in school or something liken to that. Soon, he bravely approached me and confessed his thoughts and feelings.<br />Although I did not understand his predicament, I learned from my brother's death what was happening and contacted his doctor immediately.<br />This one action saved his life as his doctor wasted no time, and committed him to a hospital. The doctor reminded us how much our son loved and trusted us to confide in us with his pain, that in most cases, it is rare for a teen to trust a parent with such a concept of weakness and dark pain within his/her mind.<br />Twenty years later, he still deals with his depression, anxiety, OCD, ADHD, however, he is alive. I'm always so amazed with his bravery, still one never knows how it could still end, or if there is a trigger that will someday send him over the edge. That is when I pray and observe him more closely.<br />That is what I learned from my brother's suicide. <br />Pat Shannon/yeagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02117203690527358433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4482620515926515338.post-41960097683390329632013-05-10T12:20:56.473-03:002013-05-10T12:20:56.473-03:00Always interesting to read your offerings, Marta. ...Always interesting to read your offerings, Marta. This subject is one close to my soul for many reasons, among them, that in the 1980s I was an AIDS Buddy. At a time when hospitals and even coroners could refuse to deal with AIDS victims, I was assisting them to live or die as well as they could.<br /><br />Suicide and I were very close for a time. In fact, we spent a week in a coma together after imbibing in several bottles of pills with soda pop chasers. It seems that I have developed an extreme sensitivity to individuals contemplating this issue. That sensitivity has heavily influenced the trajectory of my life and the formation of my goals.<br /><br />Thank you for what you give to us.hstrychsrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16598830810273668843noreply@blogger.com